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#395296 - 10/30/14 07:54 AM
Re: Vocal Harmonizer > Korg vs. Yamaha vs. Ketron
[Re: leezone]
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Registered: 05/26/99
Posts: 9673
Loc: Levittown, Pa, USA
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If I was to rate the three mentioned, I probably would select Korg, Ketron, and Yamaha in that order.. There is another I would select above all three...and that would be Roland, not because it is head and shoulders better than the others (it is not)....but the design is...the auto track, and auto detect are great..and chord analizing are great...Set up is a breeze compared to Korg, and results are superior to me.. The Korg OS is the downfall in setting up a harmonizer on the Korg...the effects blocks and routings are terrible..selecting harmony for a song (SMF) and than harmony with a style, or maybe real time voicing of harmony, is a chore on the Korg...Roland is way better in this behalf...
I don't believe the stand a lones are worth the hassle...on board is a better flow to doing things.. Roland lacks the gimmick things "scoop" and "d-essing"....(fake at best)..but the ability to make the harmony more usable in a live performance, is unmatched..
I have found that even long time Roland users, do not understand the Roland harmonizer on the G70/E80....They pass over "vocoder" mode thinking it is the 25 year old Korg vocoder..it is NOT!! Select "My voice" and you can use this real time voicing harmony, and you can edit the zones, range and other parameters to suit your use..
Some of my experiences with the three mentioned...I already explained my disappointment in the Korg (OS)..I used a PA800 for awhile, and disliked the harmonizer.... My Ketron experience was the X1..Used it for about a year..the $116 harmony board (dealer cost) was worth having, but had glitches, and different harmony settings were a pain to keep set up..
My last Yamaha that I actually tried to use (harmony), was the PSR 2100...It was a nightmare...the final day, I was playing a Dept store, and comments from elderly shoppers, about the "funny" sounding vocal (not me)....embarrassed me...not only did I never use the harmonizer again...I got rid of the PSR 2100...and It's backup brother..
I also used a Tune 1000 Harmony box with my G1000(still have the Harmony Box)...It is a no frills harmony unit that actually did sound great...in fact in blind test, I had musician friends pick the Harmony Box over Digitech....I used the midi sets on the G1000 to make the Harmony Box more useable..
I think we can use any of the harmonizers ....but the important factor...don't over use them..pick your spots....
BTW: you can actually use a vocal sound (choir) etc, and create a touch of added harmony in place of no harmony options...
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#395319 - 10/30/14 06:21 PM
Re: Vocal Harmonizer > Korg vs. Yamaha vs. Ketron
[Re: leezone]
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Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 15576
Loc: Forest Hill, MD USA
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Having tried them all since the first Digitech came out, none, both onboard and outboard, really excite me. Additionally, the best use of any of them can be described in a single word - sparingly! The S-950's onboard harmonizer, when properly tuned, actually sounds pretty good - not fantastic. However, when used sparingly, and when properly tuned, which DNJ has done, it can add a bit of body to a good vocal performance. None of them sound fantastic, though. And, they will not change a bad singer into a good singer, or even a mediocre singer. That just ain't gonna happen. Some of the KJs in this part of the world utilize everything they can to improve the vocal quality of their followers. I've only heard one PC program that will do this, and I don't believe it's commercially available at this time. Cheers, Gary
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